THIS!--was so talking my language...giving vocabulary to intuited notions within me. "The difference God makes is different from any form of difference that you're used to anything else in the world making." Wow! Thank you Kirsten--I like how you think about and consider the things of church, and life, and being truly human. Anticipating your book! And, thank you again Chris!--for these rich and enriching Speakeasy conversations!
re the reference to Lindbeck and the quandry of relying on cognitive constructs as a measure of 'right' risks creating... My late wife one time said to me "I'm not pig-headed. You just have to learn to listen to me.'
At first blush it appeared that she was contradicting herself, but one had to learn Dar-speak. Darlene was saying 'I'm not insisting I'm right, but I do need my position to be heard.'
Thanks for saying you're not a fan of the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity. I can't help but hear it as saying that my married devotion to my husband - 35 years of a sex life, 3 kids, somehow makes me 'less than'. I guess that to rescue something positive it could be taken as eschatological - pointing to a future where childbirth is without risk or injury for women. But as you both say, you risk losing a lot along the way. Thankfully I've never experienced a traumatic birth myself, but I'd want to hear from a lot of Catholic mothers before I embraced a doctrine made up by unmarried men ....
Love the concept of the “native speakers” of a particular form of theology. Though I was formally trained by Methodists, I am a native Pentecostal speaker.
Loved every minute of this - for more reasons than can be articulated here. Every minute. And knowing that if I were there and wanted to argue a thought further that you both would welcome it. That's a robust, receptive, submitted and hence fearlessly giving space. And a rare one. Thanks to you both.
Oh this was so good. I didn’t get all the references but it was inspiring! Thanks to you both.
THIS!--was so talking my language...giving vocabulary to intuited notions within me. "The difference God makes is different from any form of difference that you're used to anything else in the world making." Wow! Thank you Kirsten--I like how you think about and consider the things of church, and life, and being truly human. Anticipating your book! And, thank you again Chris!--for these rich and enriching Speakeasy conversations!
re the reference to Lindbeck and the quandry of relying on cognitive constructs as a measure of 'right' risks creating... My late wife one time said to me "I'm not pig-headed. You just have to learn to listen to me.'
At first blush it appeared that she was contradicting herself, but one had to learn Dar-speak. Darlene was saying 'I'm not insisting I'm right, but I do need my position to be heard.'
Words of wisdom.
I enjoyed the interview, and will listen again.
edit. ... the ETHICAL quandry THAT relying on cognitvie constructs....
Well, that's beautiful. Thank you, Darlene!
Thanks for saying you're not a fan of the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity. I can't help but hear it as saying that my married devotion to my husband - 35 years of a sex life, 3 kids, somehow makes me 'less than'. I guess that to rescue something positive it could be taken as eschatological - pointing to a future where childbirth is without risk or injury for women. But as you both say, you risk losing a lot along the way. Thankfully I've never experienced a traumatic birth myself, but I'd want to hear from a lot of Catholic mothers before I embraced a doctrine made up by unmarried men ....
Love the concept of the “native speakers” of a particular form of theology. Though I was formally trained by Methodists, I am a native Pentecostal speaker.
Looking forward to another conversation with Kirsten, perhaps with thoughts on the work ofS. Coakley in the mix. I have begun to read her.
Loved every minute of this - for more reasons than can be articulated here. Every minute. And knowing that if I were there and wanted to argue a thought further that you both would welcome it. That's a robust, receptive, submitted and hence fearlessly giving space. And a rare one. Thanks to you both.