I've been reading Rowan Williams' Christ the Heart of Creation and I wonder how, given this series on Jenson, you might respond to Williams' brief engagement with Jenson. (Particularly in Williams' use of "condition" language.) In critiquing Jenson he writes: "But a discussion like Jenson's nonetheless underlines just the problems that Calvin sought to address. If there is something in the eternal divine life as such that is a necessary condition for the identification of the 'second divine identity' as Jesus of Nazareth, however abstractly this is allowed, we cannot say simply that there is an *exhaustive* identity between Jesus of Nazareth and the second divine Person such that the absence of one would mean the absence of the other...Even if we follow Jenson's complex model of Jesus's realized human sonship as something we must 'project' forwards and backwards on to the horizon of God's life, we still have a question about whether the filial form of divinity is inextricably part of what it is to be God, rather than something *decided upon* by God; and on this issue Jenson seems to be with the majority view in classical Christology, allowing for some *extra*, even if absolutely nothing can be said of it (except, presumably, that it is whatever is the necessary condition for Jesus being Jesus, for Jesus being the particular human individual he was/is."
Ok, I’ve listened to this three times- why? Because I want to wrap my head around the things I don’t understand fully, because there are pieces of it I need to make note of, and because what Chris loves about Jenson I am ecstatically moved by. It is luminous good news💛
Thank you for these. Your hermeneutical skill with Jenson, and Jenson himself, are so valuable for making rigorous theology transmute itself--by "divine alchemy"--into the life giving and transforming proclamation of the Gospel!
“He does not suffer the fact that he suffers” -- so beautiful and so helpful. Listening to this a second time, it’s illuminating much of what I think Julian of Norwich is saying in her Revelations (and which have perplexed me), re Jesus’ conversations with her about His suffering.
As I listened to this I kept thinking about the intricacy of creation. The book Some Assembly Required talks about how complex DNA is but also how structures are repeated across creatures. An Immense World talks about the amazing variety of ways animals perceive the world.
I've been reading Rowan Williams' Christ the Heart of Creation and I wonder how, given this series on Jenson, you might respond to Williams' brief engagement with Jenson. (Particularly in Williams' use of "condition" language.) In critiquing Jenson he writes: "But a discussion like Jenson's nonetheless underlines just the problems that Calvin sought to address. If there is something in the eternal divine life as such that is a necessary condition for the identification of the 'second divine identity' as Jesus of Nazareth, however abstractly this is allowed, we cannot say simply that there is an *exhaustive* identity between Jesus of Nazareth and the second divine Person such that the absence of one would mean the absence of the other...Even if we follow Jenson's complex model of Jesus's realized human sonship as something we must 'project' forwards and backwards on to the horizon of God's life, we still have a question about whether the filial form of divinity is inextricably part of what it is to be God, rather than something *decided upon* by God; and on this issue Jenson seems to be with the majority view in classical Christology, allowing for some *extra*, even if absolutely nothing can be said of it (except, presumably, that it is whatever is the necessary condition for Jesus being Jesus, for Jesus being the particular human individual he was/is."
Ok, I’ve listened to this three times- why? Because I want to wrap my head around the things I don’t understand fully, because there are pieces of it I need to make note of, and because what Chris loves about Jenson I am ecstatically moved by. It is luminous good news💛
Thank you for these. Your hermeneutical skill with Jenson, and Jenson himself, are so valuable for making rigorous theology transmute itself--by "divine alchemy"--into the life giving and transforming proclamation of the Gospel!
“He does not suffer the fact that he suffers” -- so beautiful and so helpful. Listening to this a second time, it’s illuminating much of what I think Julian of Norwich is saying in her Revelations (and which have perplexed me), re Jesus’ conversations with her about His suffering.
As I listened to this I kept thinking about the intricacy of creation. The book Some Assembly Required talks about how complex DNA is but also how structures are repeated across creatures. An Immense World talks about the amazing variety of ways animals perceive the world.